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From Agriculture to Social Democracy - Journey - Learn

Updated: May 28

Bismallah Ar-Rahman Ar-Raheem

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Heartwrenching at times. Beautiful. I was actually working on a plot of cropland at the time while listening to this. - It is hard to think how we would transition from monoculture farming. It's quite a huge task. - Ag drones I think are the future but really, we need to switch to sustainable practices... - kill Monsanto/DuPont and their stranglehold, I.P. rights on GMO's - well, the whole practice needs to be transitioned to a better different system, one that doesn't put farmers into reliance upon a (single monopolized) corporate system and result in top soil loss and environmental destruction basically...It will be forced at some point, at some point, something has got to give. Then mass human labor will be forced back to the fields because biological EROI (energy return on investment) is the most efficient. God's (Allah's - S.W.T.) design is always going to be greater than anything humans can come up with. All the humans can do is try to edit and manipulate what is already created. There are definite limits on earth and truly, even beyond that -> "everything takes energy". Life and time don't just stop (for anyone) - that is the way it is - there is no time travel (for us anyway - it doesn't seem to be that way) or else we would already have and have had people from the future going back - Well, unless that creates a parallel ("parallel" or just "another") universe, and in that case, it doesn't matter to us in this universe if there is such a thing anyway. - Anyways, just some thoughts.

"Trade is permitted, usury is forbidden"

"Weigh with a just balance"

"Pay the worker his due and on time"

"Treat even one's slave well"

"Treat your brother how one would like to be treated"

"Honor your contracts and debts"

If giving a loan (a believer, and a halal loan), there is no interest, even with time (Allah S.W.T. is beyond time and space - time means nothing to Allah S.W.T.). - All different kinds of inflation and Riba are not allowed (speculative trading, etc.). - "Don't eat up each other's property unjustly".

How Economics Overpowers Culture | Lisi Krall

Planet: Critical • 1.5K views How can we change an economic system that has a life of its own? 10,000 years ago, homo sapiens began farming a grain surplus. This surplus led to the creation of societal and cultural hierarchies...

10,000 years ago, homo sapiens began farming a grain surplus. This surplus led to the creation of societal and cultural hierarchies which divorced our species from our long relationship with the natural world. This week’s guest, Lisi Krall, argues that our current economic system of fossil-fuelled capitalism is an interpretation of that same system—and we must repair our relationship to the more-than-human world if we are to change the system. But it is a momentous challenge. One, she argues, we must not think culture alone can overcome.

Lisi Krall is a Professor of Economics at the State University of New York Cortland where she researches political economy, human ecology, and the evolution of economic systems. She's also the author of Bitter Harvest: An Inquiry Into The War Between Economy And Earth. She explains how systems self-propagate, evolve and dominate culture, arguing acts of local resistance are key to building a sustainable world, and warns against projects like the Green New Deal, which she claims is the status quo masquerading as the solution.

00:00 Intro 03:07 The Economic Superorganism 06:45 How agriculture affected us 08:55 Surplus and Hierarchy 15:13 How the economy self propagates 25:51 Systems change & culture 39:34 Renewable Energy is not the solution 44:22 Reduction & Redistribution 54:30 Creating Ecological Economics 58:40 Conservation 01:05:36 Duality of earth and human world

We have to create an ecological economics - yes, that is true. - - Just thoughts: Wouldn't classical (or "primitive") notions of capitalism and global capitalist competition in this day and age, (if the world had a truly free trade system) encourage nations to be conservative and efficient with their resources? - Thus ensuring their strength and viability into the future? Thus notions (if that is the correct word) of "socialistic" forms of governance - in that, the government is being self-conserving (self-concerned) in trying to achieve goodness for its population, which is good for it economically in the world capitalist free market (look at China as an example), and altruistic in nature, manner and deeds towards the outer-wider world as so, it has trade partners, it doesn't have to expend its resources and capacities on unnecessary defense, etc.... of course, history and many nation-states do operate this way or are forced to operate this way to survive and to ensure one's (an individuals) political re-election...that is "classical" nationalism and also, social democracy in the 20th C...anyway...but it's tainted by capitalism's "teeth" if you will; bad qualities - greed, monopolism, the continuation of "slavery" via institutions and extracting of wealth from the poor - printing money to fund military/militaries - "empire" -> "imperialism" - "neo-colonialism" - now then, yes, it is time for, at the least, a shifting to more left and socialist economics and social democracy lest we have "neo-feudalism" and corporate-state masters which are the same people leading us and the planet to ruin.

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professor of Economics at the State University of New York Cortland where she researches political economy human

1:09 ecology and the evolution of economic systems she's also the author of bitter

1:14 Harvest an inquiry into the war between economy and Earth Lucy joined me today to talk about all of the topics in that

1:21 she covers in bitter Harvest essentially this tension between our economic system and our Earth system what she calls the

1:29 more than human world and the human world she explains how our economic system capitalism is so much more than

1:35 culture it is actually the result of 10 000 years of a system that was

1:40 predicated upon the Agricultural Revolution where human beings began to

1:45 collect Surplus and that Surplus allowed them to develop hierarchy and it completely changed their relationship

1:51 with the world whereby they weren't necessarily interacting with the Earth as the Earth is in its biophysical

1:57 reality but we're adapting that biophysical reality to suit their own needs

- "Man was created weak" - then also in college - Environmental "systems" class, had a section about "humans, space and place". Loved that.

Lisi says that our fossil fueled

2:04 capitalism is an interpretation of that very same system one that has embedded a

2:09 duality between human and Earth and that navigating through the climate crisis towards a sustainable future will demand

2:17 not just the cultural changes that people talk about but undoing this economic system this economic super

2:24 organism that we must come to understand if we are going to change this is an

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and so uh that's what I mean by the economic super organism but I also

5:31 um acknowledge that humans were not the only uh species to engage agriculture

5:39 agriculture was also engaged by numerous species of ants and termites and the

5:46 interesting thing about that comparison is that the structure and dynamic of their economic life

5:53 is very similar to that of humans when humans began the cultivation of annual

5:59 grains ants and termites cultivate fungi

6:04 so it's a different co-evolutionary uh relationship but the structure and

6:10 dynamic of their life their economic life and their Collective organization

6:17 uh becomes very similar is very similar to that of humans or I should say humans

6:24 have a very similar organization to answer termites because they did it

6:29 before us so agriculture is a universal system

6:36 and the agricultural system is what I refer to as the economic super

6:43 organism okay so let's break this down a little bit

How agriculture affected us

6:48 um so from what I understand you're talking about 10 000 years ago

6:53 the Agricultural Revolution as it's referred to when human beings went from

6:59 being differently organized all around the world to producing a food surplus

7:06 and in the production of that food surplus the capacity for that food surplus that was when humans became we

7:13 became configured by our own system so rather than being configured by the

7:18 Earth system and that relationship it flipped and we started being configured by a system of our own creation is that

7:26 correct um partially correct except for the following I would make the following uh

7:32 uh I don't know if it's correction or uh elaboration

7:38 I don't believe that I think at the creation of Agriculture

7:43 is part of uh an evolutionary Dynamic and a process of

7:50 system creation that is universal okay so it's often thought that humans

7:59 create agriculture through their Ingenuity etc etc and that's not my

8:05 story my story is that a it's a agriculture is

8:10 a particular play on human sociality um

8:16 and humans evolve a capacity to be

8:22 social and that sociality is comes to be

8:28 uh configured in a certain way with the cultivation and co-evolution with annual

8:35 grains to form a system uh that puts humans in a different

8:43 position vis-a-vis each other and Vis-a-vis the Earth the rest of the

8:49 Earth so I don't know if that further elaborates yeah yeah yeah so we're talking then


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Ukr Attack Fails; Milley Calls Zaluznhy, Kirby Bizarre Russia Losses; Sullivan Industry Hollowed Out

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There were some other important bits before this as well but this is quite useful information. I tend to agree much with Alexander on these issues. - -

now a number a short number of other things

49:00 the first is that another U.S Bank has failed a big a big bank it's had to

49:08 be taken over this time by JP Morgan it's clear that the banking crisis that

49:15 began a few weeks ago still continues and for the record this

49:21 particular bank that has failed First Republic seems to be more of a what my one might call

49:28 conventional mainstream Bank than some of the other banks that

49:36 um failed recently and which attracted so much attention so we'll see what happens and whether

49:44 this banking crisis really is rumbling away between the Surface I've

49:51 said previously that the problem with financial crises is that

49:58 they might be underway for quite a long time

50:03 without them being obvious or visible to Outsiders

50:08 I remember that back in the period of the 2008 crisis

50:15 the first indications that something was wrong in the Western banking system came in

50:23 2007 the summer of 2007 and it started with a bank in France

50:30 and over the next few months there was problems in One bank and another

50:38 but overall things seem to remain largely under control

50:43 there's no sense that things were about to fall apart

50:49 we had lots of talk about a credit crunch then by the way we're having something of the same talk about a

50:55 credit crunch now but anyway we were having lots of reports like that over

51:01 the course of the second half of 2007 the first half of 2008 but everything as

51:08 I said seemed to be under control the economy was expanding Congress came

51:16 together and delivered what looked like a package to support the economy as I

51:22 remember in the second half of 2007 um and then suddenly

51:29 everything went wrong and in the late summer autumn of 2008

51:36 the financial system basically collapsed so

51:43 we could be in seeing something similar I doubt that anybody knows for sure

51:50 however all the indications again

51:56 or all the sort of statistics and figures that we're seeing

52:02 point now to a recession beginning in a few months

52:09 that the High interest rates have been draining liquidity from the

52:16 Western economies money supply is becoming tight

52:22 credit conditions are becoming tight weaker banks are starting to buckle

52:29 then perhaps at some point we're going to see a downward Plunge

52:36 it's interesting just notice also what's happening to

52:41 um to um oil prices despite attempts by

52:48 OPEC class to support the Euro price by production cuts

52:54 the oil price continues to fall overall

52:59 which looks like oil buyers are predicting

53:07 a fallen demand perhaps even a collapse in demand which is consistent with the recession

53:14 coming so that may be what's now looming Over

53:20 the Horizon I know there is a view among

53:25 some people some of the economics community in the west that um the central banks have been keeping

53:33 raising interest rates for too long that they're underestimating the risk of a

53:38 recession I don't think anybody knows for certain and I think you just say that because always one sees somebody

53:46 who comes forward when the crash happens and says that that they predicted it in

53:52 the way that it happened and you know quite a lot of

53:57 these people have predicted a crash on a particular day but I would say that I

54:02 doubt that anybody absolutely knows for sure and I know I get lots of people who

54:09 send me emails saying that they do know and have known and that they've been right but

54:15 the fact is I'm always skeptical about this because I've seen this happen so many times I

54:22 don't think anybody can ever say at any particular point in time that there will

54:27 be a crash or a recession at any specific point in the future that

54:35 is not to deny something quite different which is that overall

54:42 the Western Financial system has become increasingly fragile and overburdened

54:50 and brittle and prone to break down and perhaps ultimate collapse

54:56 that I think is true in fact I'm sure it's true

55:03 that has been true and getting more true for a very long time now

55:09 but as I said again I think that to extrapolate from that and to say

55:16 definitely let's say in September or October or December we're going to see

55:23 a breakdown and a crisis I think that

55:28 foreign we can't know but what I will say about

55:34 that is this if a recession does happen if there is

55:40 going to be a serious recession in the West in Europe

55:45 and in the United States then that is going to have a number of

55:52 effects firstly in a period of recession people's interests

55:58 in news foreign news slackens off support for a war in a place like

56:05 Ukraine become increasingly difficult to sustain

56:11 impossible most likely secondly

56:17 incumbent governments whatever they are American British will find themselves

56:23 under growing pressure it might be very very much more difficult if there is a

56:29 serious recession for President Biden who is anyway shall we say

56:34 rather unpopular to get himself reelected

56:40 it becomes much more likely assuming that Donald Trump is the nominee for the

56:46 Republican party that he might be re-elected and become president Trump

56:52 again and as I said a lot of these

56:57 grandiose plans that we have now um

57:03 for immediate energy Transitions and such things they could melt away and

57:10 also many of the other plans for giant strategic

57:16 recalibrations near-con chess games people will not

57:22 only become uninterested in them they're very likely to become impatient with

57:28 them as by the way it happened at the time of the 2008 crisis so that's one

57:35 thing I wanted to say the other is that there's been an absolutely astonishing speech I bewildering speech

57:44 by Jake Sullivan who is talking who basically is announcing what some people

57:51 have called a new Washington consensus this is a return in effect to

57:58 protectionism to Industrial policy in the United States to a fostering of high technology

58:07 Industries to check production internally based chip production all of

58:13 that it was the most extraordinary speech other than reversing the entire

58:19 trend of U.S policy since well at least the Reagan

58:25 years and when I say the Reagan years perhaps the period when these policies

58:31 were fully embedded as part of the the sort of

58:39 globalization policies became fully embedded as part of the economic policies of the

58:47 US well that happened during the Clinton period now it is a

58:55 two things about this the first is that what Sullivan is talking about is clearly a retreat it is clearly

59:02 if you take it seriously and admission that

59:07 the globalist economic system is breaking down that the attempt by the

59:14 United States to globalize the world economy around itself or perhaps more

59:23 more succinctly around certain financial institutions and political

59:31 socioeconomic oligarchs in the United States oligarchic groups in the United

59:37 States has now run its course that the United States cannot do that

59:42 any longer the idea of it running the world importing cheap goods from

59:47 overseas exporting the dollar with its Reserve currency status via

59:54 endless emission of debt and in the form of Treasury bonds

1:00:00 that is unsustainable and that is in effect

1:00:05 an admission that in economic terms the ulipolar

1:00:12 moment has passed if the United States is really serious about

1:00:18 protectionism rebuilding domestic Supply chains

1:00:24 relocating Manufacturing within itself

1:00:29 then as I said it is in effect in admission that in economic terms uni

1:00:36 polarity has gone the second thing to say about this

1:00:42 is that as with everything that comes from people like Jake Sullivan

1:00:47 what this is really about ultimately is about China when the administration came

1:00:53 to office back in 2021 there was a major attempt to boost the economy by Massive

1:01:00 surge of spending and if you drilled through some of the statements that U.S

1:01:07 officials were making at that time it was quite clear that the intention was to raise

1:01:13 the U.S growth rate GDP growth rate to

1:01:18 match and some were even talking about surpassing that of China

1:01:25 well it didn't work out like that as and Alex christofaro and I said at the

1:01:33 time on the Duran what this extra spending would achieve

1:01:38 instead was not a sustained increase in growth rates in

1:01:44 the United States it would lead instead to higher inflation

1:01:50 and so it has turned out so this is if you like Plan B

1:01:57 now we're not going to try and overtake or compete with the Chinese

1:02:04 by spending in that kind of way as we did before we're not going to try a

1:02:09 massive stimulus demand pull we're going to take a much more

1:02:16 active role investing in the U.S economy forcing the

1:02:22 Taiwanese and the South Koreans strong arming them in effect to reinvest high

1:02:27 technology in the United States we're going to build up our domestic Supply

1:02:32 chains we're going to use this act which we've passed to persist in developing

1:02:39 green technologies we're going to use that to attract the industry from Europe

1:02:45 we're going to do all of these things and we're going to rebuild our industrial technological base and at the

1:02:52 same time as we're going to do that we're going to try to deprive the Chinese

1:02:58 of high-end chips and high-end technology so that they can't compete

1:03:04 with us that that seems to be the major plan it's less about in my opinion

1:03:09 raising U.S living standards it's not even really about changing the

1:03:16 US economic system it's more about finding another way to compete with

1:03:22 China now I don't think this is going to work and that's my third point because

1:03:29 the way it's all laid out it's not

1:03:35 a real economic or industrial or planning policy at all

1:03:42 that would require something completely different it would require

1:03:48 much more discussion within the United States planning meetings meetings together

1:03:54 bringing together people like in Industry Specialists experts high tech

1:03:59 high technology people Finance people bring them all together working out a

1:04:06 long-term program about how to rebuild

1:04:13 the industrial base setting a

1:04:19 realistic planning Horizon it might take 10 years or 20 years or something like

1:04:25 that once upon a time the United States did do this sort of thing

1:04:30 I don't really think that people in the United States

1:04:36 quite understand how to do it today and I'm confident that Jake Sullivan doesn't

1:04:42 so it's really another case if you like of

1:04:52 fantasizing about what you would like to see happen rather than providing a practical plan

1:05:00 about how you would actually achieve it now

1:05:07 I have to say that it seems to me that a more likely

1:05:13 outcome of this plan if it is a plan is not therefore a real

1:05:21 rebuilding of U.S Industrial Supply chains

1:05:28 but High domestic spending within the United States which if it takes place

1:05:35 against in the context of higher tariff barriers

1:05:41 can only lead to good shortages and higher inflation

1:05:47 much higher inflation and perhaps

1:05:52 an aggravation a further aggravation in the economic imbalances within the

1:05:59 country I'm going to finish this by saying that if you really do want to carry out this

1:06:04 kind of and it kind of investment-led industrial

1:06:11 policy and I know by the way that there are many people in the United States who are

1:06:17 very strongly opposed to this thing many of my libertarian friends I'm not myself a Libertarian but many of my libertarian

1:06:25 friends are very hostile to these ideas all together they think that this isn't

1:06:30 the what the government ought to be doing the government should have a much more limited role that this is big

1:06:36 government it's not going to produce anything good that's not my own

1:06:41 philosophy that's not my own opinion but you know that current is thinking does exist in

1:06:47 the United States and sometimes I have to say I am attracted by its rigor even

1:06:53 if as I said my own views differ in many respects but anyway if you are going to

1:07:00 carry out that kind of policy what you need to do is to develop a political

1:07:05 consensus within the United States behind it and that political consensus

1:07:11 needs to reach out and include all the major stakeholders within the U.S

1:07:18 economy and U.S society a government

1:07:24 that on the contrary is constantly finding

1:07:29 enemies to itself within U.S society

1:07:35 as to an alarming extent the Biden Administration in my opinion does

1:07:42 is the least equipped to carry out a program like that

1:07:49 and moreover in order to carry out such a program

1:07:54 it needs a strong decisive commanding

1:08:00 leader an FDR for example

1:08:05 which to speak generalists generously

1:08:10 President Biden in my opinion is not so there we go it's a fascinating

1:08:18 comment from Sullivan I don't think it's been remotely thought through I know

1:08:23 that he understands very much about chip technology by the way um I don't think he understands very

1:08:30 much about Supply chains and things of that kind after all he's not got that kind of background at all

1:08:37 I think that this is all very abstract

1:08:43 and um shall we say optimistic

1:08:48 and I think if I have to be Frank this is another one of those clever speeches

1:08:54 that people make from time to time which especially if a recession is

1:09:02 indeed going to be soon upon us will vanish forgotten

1:09:08 beneath the waves the waves of events anyway that's me for today

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Russia Pounds Ukraine, Ukr Hit Oil Tanker, Few Buildings Russia to Take Bakhmut; West Furious India, Russia Rescues Cuba Topic 834

it seems that

2:22 after the failed Ukrainian counter-attack of two days ago and by

2:29 the way reports now all confirmed that this Ukrainian counter-attack actually

2:34 did take place and that it has failed that the ukrainians were pushed back in

2:40 every place where they sought to advance anyway the effect of that Ukrainian

2:46 counter-attack and quite possibly that

2:51 complaint by pregosian that I discussed yesterday was a massive escalation of Russian

3:01 shelling of the remaining area of Bachmann still on the Ukrainian control

3:06 and further shelling of the roads that lead into

3:12 um reading leading to Bachman uh the threat the road that passes through chromable which is as I said now

3:19 fiercely contested at least for a period of time the Wagner forces appear to have

3:25 actually reached and captured stretches of the road I'm not sure whether they

3:31 still do the ukrainians say they don't quite passively on this issue the ukrainians are right but anyway

3:38 all of that um still seems to be contested but Russian

3:45 shelling seems to have intensified

and on the question of casualties in backward there's been many many pictures

8:43 now many harrowing pictures extending back weeks but a whole big cluster of

8:52 them coming out yesterday of Ukrainian Vehicles machines armored

9:01 vehicles sometimes lots of lorries and such things destroyed on the so-called Road of Life

9:09 the road that passes through chromable into Bachman and also I'm sorry to say

9:16 lots of pictures of dead soldiers and of course I'm not in a position to identify

9:22 whether these are Russian soldiers or Ukrainian soldiers but most of the

9:28 captions that go with those photos suggest that they're ukrainians and there have been lots of pictures of

9:35 these dead soldiers some of them I have to say looking frankly

9:42 they're not just dead but terribly dead I'm not going to say more anyway so that seems to me the position

9:50 in Batman now as I said today's the third of May perhaps the offensive the Ukrainian

9:57 counter-attack will take place on the 4th of May I don't know I have to say I

10:04 think it's unlikely that the ukrainians will be able to cling on to all of these buildings up to and including

10:11 the 9th of May when the Russians celebrate Victory Day

10:17 but who's to say it will depend I suppose on how

10:23 aggressively the Russians push forward in Bachman and how fiercely the

10:30 ukrainians continue to defend themselves by the way the Russian news agency Tas

10:37 has a rather sad at least I found it sad report about

10:45 the fighting in Bachmann it says that supplies presumably have become so short

10:51 for the Ukrainian troops there that they have been obliged

10:58 to turn increasingly to using old equipment

11:05 um vintage machine guns I'll report this I'm not sure how meaningful

11:11 um meaningful this is but anyway this is a report